Friday, March 24, 2006

If this keeps up Democrats are going to have to find new role models

For the life of me I can't see what is wrong with this labor reform proposal by Dominique de Villepin. We all remember him as that whiny French guy that tried to save Saddam Hussein's job so there is a tendency to assume he is always doing the wrong thing, but this time he has it about right.

French riots broke out last Fall primarily in the Muslim neighborhoods and while the motives were hardly pure they did point to a very real problem of youth unemployment in the country. France has labor protections that make it nearly impossible to fire anyone once they have been hired regardless of their work habits, so employers are reluctant to take chances with unproven employees. The proposal would basically amount to a two year evaluation period. One might say this very clear headed attempt to help young people find employment hasn't been greeted warmly, unless you count the toasty warmth of burning cars.

This leaves me with one two questions. How are there any cars left in France and why do liberals always tell us how much better things would be if we were more like the French?

Well actually they look at us as role models, we had our American revolution, then they had their French Revolution.

On a serious note, I think I'm with the protesters (not the car burning part); sure the current system sucks for employers but the new one blows for the employee, so if they can some how influence the law to be adjusted they have to do what they have to do. I don't fault them for protesting.

Also I seem to always be the first to comment on here, I will wait for someone to start the commenting next time, you know to be fair and all.

If you do that I may never get any comments here. Not to mention you usually start with something that provides an opportunity for discussion. I can do that elsewhere, but I can't very well do it here. (If you start seeing a lot of first posts by "anonymous" that seem to have suspicious speech patterns you will know I got desperate)

I'm glad you stop short of car burning. The new policy isn't a permanent thing. After two years you gain all the current job protections. (I don't think that should be the case either, but it is France)

If employers start getting rid of people right before two years and hiring new ones then they have a beef.
RW - If employers start getting rid of people right before two years and hiring new ones then they have a beef.

That's a big issue in countries like Colombia and Chile, where it's nearly impossible to get a stable long term position, everything is in 9 month contracts. So that employers do not have to provide benefits or get stuck with the employee since it become almost impossible (like you noted) to fire them after a certain amount of time served at said company. Businesses and Labor need to come up with something in the middle where companies are not sucked dry by healthcare and retirement costs, and employees are not living with no sense of financial stability. France has a dicier problem right now seeing how most of the affected are the same that were pushed to the ghettos and rioted just last year.

We are starting to see the emergence of such problems with things like Wal-Mart being sued by Maryland (I think that's the state) so that it will take on more of the cost of benefits than it has in the pasts, so hopefully leaders will learn from these situations and not let thing deteriorate like that.

I don't think it was a lawsuit, I believe Maryland passed a law that was so specific that it only affected Wal Mart.

I think this is a different group rioting in France right now. If the law is blocked youth unemployment will stay at about 25% and that 25% will be last Fall's rioters. So as soon as a few more cars hit the streets they can take their turn.

You, Seneca, and I along with anyone else that wants to invest needs to start a flame retardant car company over there.
The trouble with France is that everybody there is French. Stubborn, uncompromising, you get the idea.

I think you're both right. The present system sucks for businesses (who wants to guarantee a slacker a lifetime job?). But the alternative would lead to just what DavidU predicts. Companies with 23 month job blocks, where workers are summarily rotated.

If only the unions and Villepin weren't such frigging jackasses...

And France is so nice! The food is great; contrary to popular opinion the people do bathe; and once you're outside Paris or Lyon the people just love Americans.

And I do think investing in the production of fire resistant vehicles in France could be very lucrative.
Oh yeah...

The new Maryland law doesn't specifically order WalMart to fund a health care plan for workers.

But since it applies to private companies with 10,000 or more workers, and WalMart (with 15,000) is the only company in Maryland that falls in that category...
What are Ford and GM thinking? Get your little cars to France, and slash prices! This is their chance to topple Fiat and take over.

RW, Seneca - Thanks for the Maryland clear up

Here's one for the editor in you.

Government experts wrote memos that warned about these dangers and many others in great detail. The administration was warned about precisely what has happened, just as it was warned that Hurricane Katrina could cause the dykes to fail.

As James Taranto said, "George Bush doesn't care about sapphic people."

"I think this is a different group rioting in France right now".

I don't think so. There are the protestors and the rioters. Who is rioting?:

"While the demonstrations have been orderly and peaceful, groups of 200 to 300 youths who police say do not appear to be participating in the organized marches have appeared suddenly during concluding rallies, taunting police and creating havoc."

"Police have speculated that the gangs may be from the poor suburban areas that erupted in riots last fall. In those disturbances, youths across France -- many of them immigrants or French-born children of immigrants -- burned thousands of cars and hundreds of public buildings..."

We can't say who these youth are, but we can drop a lot of hints.
Buy Danish,

You may be right the way the press tries to only give us there version of the story, but the reason I think this may be different is that this law helps the fringe immigrant groups get jobs at the possible expense of some actual French kids. (Boortz calls them tadpoles)

The islamists that are surrounding most French cities don't really benefit from protesting against this.

It's possible that you and Boortz are right, but this is assuming that they are guided by reason.
Buy Danish,

That is the kicker. All in all it's not like 9/11 really worked out so well for them, so they could just be taking advantage of a good chance to riot.

We need a Parisian riot cam feed darn it!

That's pathetic. dykes? All writers make mistakes. All editors make mistakes. Some just stretch the bounds of basic intelligence.

I like the idea of the Paris riot cams!
Completely off topic: Does anyone know what happened to those that were turned away from Ellis Island, back in the day, when the quota was filled?

Did they go back to Europe in the same boat? Or they get sent somewhere else? And how was that financed? If anyone knows, let me know...

Yep, another Bar conversation of mine.

Not sure, but I think they made the arrangements before they got on the boat.

I'll see what I can find. Keep in mind that most of the boats originated in Western European countries because until 1965 our leaders had a very sensible view that we should be encouraging people to come here who shared our culture, traditions and values, or who wanted to come here because they wanted to be assimilated Americans.

I know that this is a horribly mean-spirited thing to say, but...

I asked my supreme authority (my mother, an avid geaneologist) who says the hopeful immigrants bound for Ellis Island were screened at the ships they wanted to board by the ship's employees. They paid for passage in advance, though the ship operators didn't care where the money came from.

The ones turned back at Ellis Island had to be taken away at the ship owner's expense. The owners were also fined (she thinks $100 per reject), giving them a powerful incentive to select the best prospects for passage.
BD, Seneca - Thanks for the info, I guess I'll go to Borders and give them more money for a new book regarding this.

So I guess not many were turned away once they made the trip, should make for interesting reading.
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