Friday, December 15, 2006

Is it time to finally use the Logan Act?

I suppose certain puffed-up congressmen are feeling their oats since the election, but that's no excuse for their unauthorized trips overseas to meet with leaders of foreign nations. This destructive practice must be stopped.

Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson traveled to Syria and met with its president, Bashar Assad, without the authority and contrary to the wishes of the Bush administration, including the State Department.

The well-known policy of the Bush administration is that the United States has limited diplomatic ties with the Syrian government because of its support for terrorist organizations Hezbollah and Hamas, its support of terrorism and ethnic strife in Iraq, and its policy toward Lebanon.

The Constitution firmly places the conduct of U.S. foreign policy in the hands of the executive branch because the Framers understood the pitfalls of conducting foreign policy by committee.




As amended, the Act states:
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without
authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any
correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or
agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States,
or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his
agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury
which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or
subjects.
Source

Comments:
Um, that act is for private citizens not elected officials.
 
Good evening, getalife -- I just read through the act, and I can't find the paragraph that says elected officials are exempt. It places emphasis on any U.S. citizen, which to me, means just that, no matter what position one holds. Elected officials are citizens.

Either way, it's treasonous to undermine the President regardless of your feelings about him and his administration.
 
RW,

I saw a bit of Gingrich on Ingraham filling in for O'Reilly on this subject (got that?).

Gingrich mentioned the Logan Act, but what is particularly problematic is that our State Department issued them Visas.

Why did they do that? The answer should be "Hell no, win a Presidential election and then as a member of the Executive branch you can meet with whomever you choose - in full view of the American people."
 
Specter is going to Syria and Baker has already talked to them.

Flake and others went to Cuba. Richardson wants to talk to North Korea.

While the gop Senators were in Iraq, Lieberman said we need leadership in Iraq and here.

I see w and cheney losing control of foreign policy and would not be surprised to see them resign.
 
getalife, kinda late for you, no?

You better hope this isn't for elected officials..


Where's Murtha??
 
Honu,

I think elected officials can talk to other countries but there are restrictions.

Jay,

I have not heard from Murtha lately but your right, it is late.
 
getalife,

The Constitution gives that authority to the Executive Branch and it's the Executive Branch that controls who they can meet with and what they can talk about.

Buy Danish,

Issuing a Visa to go into a country does not give permission to negotiate policy with leaders of those countries.
 
Hmmm

Sounds like to me we need to get a Congressman to read the Logan Act and get it in the Congressional Record. I never heard of it and I doubt that the "members" have.

If some of our congressmen don't know the difference betwwen Sunnis and Shites, they certainly don't know about the Logan Act.

We should get Chertoff to round up representatives in Congress who break the law just like Security is gathering illegals. But I guess not. It seems "can't we get along" is the policy now no matter the law or what it does to the country or our war efforts.

(PS--I thank all of you for the kind words about my singing. Any day now I shall receive some meritorious award as yet unknown. I will give credit to my famous blog friends for their support!!)
 
Hell yea it's time to use it. It should have been used against Kerry and Jane Fonda during Vietnam.

It should have been used against Kennedy during the Cold War....

and...it should have been used against Rockefeller during this war.

The way I look at it, Bush was duly elected by a majority of voters. Unless he's removed from office (stop drooling getalife, it'll never happen) they're under obligation by law, not to interfere.

The only indictment on record is against some guy in Kentucky back in the 1700's who wrote an article in a newspaper.

Why aren't we using it against the leftist media?

Subversion is subversion. Keep the disagreements at home, but present yourself as a nation united against your enemies abroad.

WTH are they thinking? This is no way to campaign for 2008. The American people won't be pleased, Democrat or Republican. This undermines us all.

Viva la revolutione. The people against a handful of stupid politicians.

Sorry. This is a long one. Had to get it all said before I head to the sandy beaches of South Florida.

Aaaaaaaeeeeeeiiiiiiiaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!

Merry Christmas Everyone (place huge, pearly whites gleaming against a beautiful golden tan smile here)
 
Merry Christmas and great travels to you @@!

You don't plan on spending all your time in the airport this year do you?

The Logan Act is pretty specific to cover freelance diplomacy, which is what's happening now. Some of the others you named fell into that to an extent, but may have been more in violation of laws on treason and sedition.
 
Dear @@ -- may you have carefree travels and a faboo tropical holiday.

God bless you and your family at this, the most wonderful time of the year.

Merry Christmas -- I'll miss your wit and wisdom at MLs & JWs!

Your friend,

Honu
 
OT Alert

Headline:

Botched execution likely painful, doctors say.
Some speculate this week’s lethal injection caused slow, excruciating death.


Gee, I wonder if the man Diaz MURDERED felt any pain and died a slow, excruciating death. I wonder how PAINFUL it is, still, for the murdered man’s family, 27 years later?

Give me a freakin’ break. Sheesh.
 
Honu,

I say it's time to bring back Old Sparky. Liberals told us constantly during the Terri Schiavo kerfuffle that starvation was a blissful and painless way to die. Do you think we can just give these killers a last meal and then check back in a couple weeks?

getalife,

Couldn't you have spared a few dollars to dine with this embarrassment?
 
Honu,

Maybe we could bring back the Guillotine.

Since beheading people is so popular with the "religion of peace", and Islam is the one protected religion in the U.S., it must not constitute cruel or unusual punishment.

Besides, if it was good enough for the French, whom the Elites hold in such high esteem, it should be good enough for death row inmates.
 
RW,

We can give them a choice:

A blissful but prolonged death or instant Karma.
 
RW et al,

I'm not off to Florida like @@, but I am off to another Christmas Party.

Here's a little something to entertain you all during Falcons commercials.
 
Buy Danish,

I think the appeals process that can let a death row inmate stay for 20 to 30 years is cruel and unusual punishment. Boortz has an idea for a "Super court" that only deals with death penalty appeals so that executions can be done in a few months when there are no real issues with the case.

I don't care what method they use to do the execution, but I think the killer should get the same amount of advance notice his victim got. No last meal, no special time to meet with family or clergy to say your goodbyes etc.
 
If these nightly parties keep up we'll have to change BD to Boogie Down.

There's a much more entertaining clip over at the Sports Bar. Honu loves it!
 
I take it back BD, my link is more titillating, but yours was more entertaining. I think I'll pop that up here.
 
hat tip to Danny B
 
Buy Danish! You're jetting off to FL for a Christmas party? How Paris Spears of you hahahahahaha

Have fun -- I'm partied out right now and am looking forward to Saturday night football.

RW -- I agree 100 percent with you. What a great question to ponder. . .how much warning DID the victim have. Could this be that one other thing I have in common with Boortz (besides naming the '70 M-M-S the greatest team of all time?) :-.)

RW -- on the NBC link? Really -- morsure moi

Hi Jay not jay -- I apologize for my rudeness in not saying bonne nuit to you, too, last evening over at the bar. I'm sure you didn't notice what with salivating over the bikini babes.
 
Well, as a reality tv junkie, I watch Breaking Bonaduce (the finale is tomorrow evening) and I, too, say you rock, Danny! His show is really sad -- but if ever a guy needed a beat-down, this one did. I'm surprised Danny didn't smack him.
 
Honu,

The no warning part is mine. The quick appeals court is Boortz, so you'll have to decide if that's your other agreement with him.
 
RW -- yes, I was referring to the "super court" -- don't throw things at the screen, but Boortz could have never come up with the no advance notice idea. Too logical. Sorry, but I think you have it ALL over him (no matter who his favorite team is.)

/just sayin' with a big Honu smile
 
Honu,

Boortz has some interesting ideas about some things and he's totally whack on a few others. His support of the Fair Tax is great.
 
RW -- if you say so.

I'll let you tell me about the Fair Tax someday -- that way I'll listen :.-)

You won't preface it with "now listen, you idiot moonbat(ic) so and so and so and so. tee hee hee
 
Honu,

Scooter is very well versed on the Fair Tax, more so than I am, and he would never preface his explanation with any of that either.

We need to move the comments up and show a little love for Danny.
 


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